I had posted on Intrasoft Technologies Ltd here
Now posting follow up and conclusion .
Retail e-commerce market potentials :
The Indian e-commerce(all including retail and travel) market is estimated at $11 billion. It is expected to stand at $20 billion by 2015, a compounded annual growth rate (CAGR) of 37 per cent through 2013-15, according to a recent report by Motilal Oswal Securities. The e-retail segment would be the biggest growth driver (with an expected CAGR of 60 per cent), increasing from $1.7 billion in 2013 to $7 billion in 2016, it added .
Pramod Kumar, managing director, Barclays Capital India, said, “The online retailing segment in India today accounts for a mere 0.5 per cent, compared with 8-13 per cent in developed countries. The sector is expected to grow sevenfold to $30 billion by 2020 and the number of e-shoppers could grow from 20 million to about 90 million. Clearly, India is a massive e-commerce opportunity, which cannot be ignored.”
Source : http://www.business-standard.com/article/finance/softbank-turns-largest-investor-for-indian-e-commerce-cos-114121700329_1.html
Today (18 Dec), Qatar fund invests $150 million in Flipkart . QIA is the new investor buying into Flipkart, valued at around $11 billion (more than Rs 68200 crores at conversion rate of 62) , taking it among the top five privately held technology startups in the world.
Source : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/Qatar-fund-invests-150-million-in-Flipkart/articleshow/45556408.cms
I know it it is at crazy valuations but Early investors are making huge money . It may follow "greatest fool theory" . However , They are not investing because of charity , They might have their own reasoning. All the retail e-commerce players are making huge losses but It doesn't matter for them since they are concentrating on future and trying to achieve economical scale first like Alibaba did .
SoftBank’s $20-million investment in Chinese e-commerce group Alibaba in 2000 is now worth $86 billion, following the Chinese company floating an initial public offering in the US. That is very very huge return . They had patience in early stage when Alibaba was making losses and that time Alibaba was not listed . Mr market does not give good valuation to companies which are under investment stage unless promoter has proven track records . Same times it throws opportunity to buy companies whose valuation are cheap , past is not good but future is bright . Retail e-commerce is such huge opportunity that even companies with decent management will also do reasonably good .
Conclusion :
By seeing comments , email and Market Price , I feel most of them suggested to ignore Intrasoft due to it past performance . Most of them also not realizing how big is retail e-commerce opportunity . So , I have decided to invest 2.5 percentage of my portfolio (May be risky bet) regardless of all concerns like deprecation write off, past track records .I will allocate more money based on future fundamental changes . I am sure if company does not do any fraud and promoters have good intention for minority shareholder then I believe I will make some return in this if I can wait for long regardless of noise.Same time I will keep watch on fundamental changes and my assumptions that they will launch http://123stores.com in India. If they sell other business (websites) and just concentrate on future that is http://123stores.com (USA, Canada, India and other countries) then that will be added advantage. My logic is simple If retail e-commerce market grows like expected and stabilized(start making money) then not only Flipkart and Snapdeal is going to make money there will be few small players in retail e-commerce will also make money . Indian consumers are going to be loyal to discount and value for money and not only to big brands like FlipKart or SnapDeal . Flipkart and Snapdeal will be get listed in future once they start making money to give exit to early investors. But we don't have any other opportunity right now in listed space of retail e-commerce apart from Intrasoft technologies. Right now, I am looking like contrarian fool and alone investor .
We are shopping from USA based companies like Amazon and eBay here in India . If any of your friends and relative is in USA then please request them to buy any low price item from http://123stores.com/ for experience . Please don't buy anything which is not needed .
If you are interested in reading multiple blogs from other blogger then please open your account on http://www.feedly.com/ which I find good to read and track all blogs .
P.S. (on 25 Dec 2014)
Magic of Compounding : Why Venture Capitalist are investing in loss making companies ? Because , they are have their own assumptions and firmly believe in power of Compounding . I tried number crunching and Magic of Compounding on Intrasoft and numbers were unbelievable . So, I initially thought I am not going put these numbers since I will be look stupid and I did similar exercise for Indsil but those variable never turned positive so I sold recently my entire holding in Indsil . I have changed my style of investing from 2013 and moved towards growth . I feel little better investor If I see my portfolio, most of those stocks I have not disclosed here , frankly most of successful stock ideas are borrowed one from others (No intention to return them back:)) . Nevertheless , I collected some courage and put the magic of compounding on Intrasoft even though I will look stupid but I am not alone some Venture Capitalist are also looking similar:) .
Intrasoft Technologies's 123Stores can earn revenue/profit in future from Transaction Fees , payment Gateway fees(net off paying to actual gateway charges) , Vendor Subscription monthly fees , Advertising (like AdWords ,AdSense) , Other Affiliate marketing, From Channel Partner ( sending email to their register customers of channel partner like insurance company) and shipping charges (net off paying to courier companies).
Whenever , these e-commerce companies will chase profit instead of GMV (GROSS MERCHANDISE VALUE) then they can earn profit margin of 7-12% (not more than that) on GMV .
Let's assume Intrasoft Technologies's 123Stores will earn only 5% (worst case scenario) net profit margin once e-commerce stabilized and concentrating on profit .
123Stores reported record sales over the long holiday weekend from Thanksgiving Day through Cyber Monday of over $2 million, a 243% percent increase over last year .I can trust number of 123Stores because they are showing audited numbers with annual report of subsidiary in USA. These numbers are audited by ZBS Group, LLP . New York .Click here
If they start their operations in Canada and India then this growth may be increase further but assume for margin of safety that they just grows by 55% against current 200% plus compounding .
So there 4 assumption in the my following calculation
1. I can hold it from 4 year to 10 years provided that I do not smell something wrong/fraud .
2. NP margin of only 5% of sales /GMV
3. Sales /GMV growth of 55% compounding for first 4 year then 30% for next 3 years then 15% for 8 to 10th years period.
4. Equity dilutions of 20% for 4 years period , 30% for 7 years and 40% 10 years period.
Now , lets consider 3 periods when they will profitable either in 4 years or 7 years or 10 years . I can hold these share long term at least for this period as long as my assumptions on track . I will have to take call if assumptions get off-track depend on circumstances .
This year they will show at least 270 crores of sales ( last 4 trailing quarters already 220 crores ) we will start from that .
Try : http://www.moneycontrol.com/personal-finance/tools/magic-of-compounding-tool.html
Numbers look unbelievable , This stock price for me can be achieve if 4 assumptions remain on track which I don't think unreasonable either . Is 5% NPM is unreasonable ? Is 55% CAGR in sales for first 4 years is unreasonable for sun rising e-commerce sector ? Is equity dilutions unreasonable ? For me , answer is not unreasonable .
Another import point , Intrasoft Technologies Ltd should not be get delisted .
We can get good return in any growing quality stocks but we can get impressive return /multibagger if we are early investor and market has not discovered potential of that stock .Right now , so far only Venture Capitalist Intel has invested in it. If Intrasoft Technologies get some other investors(or even some good stock picker investors/brokerage houses) then It will start getting valuations based on sales, first 1x then 1.5x like that .Journey has just started let's see where it take us , hope not backward at least .
If you are interested in reading multiple blogs from bloggers (including stupid like me) then please open your account on http://www.feedly.com/ which I find good to read and track all the blogs .
This will be last post for this year . So ,wish you very happy and prosperous new year 2015 . I hope your compounding m/c for other investments continue with same or higher speed .
Now posting follow up and conclusion .
Retail e-commerce market potentials :
The Indian e-commerce(all including retail and travel) market is estimated at $11 billion. It is expected to stand at $20 billion by 2015, a compounded annual growth rate (CAGR) of 37 per cent through 2013-15, according to a recent report by Motilal Oswal Securities. The e-retail segment would be the biggest growth driver (with an expected CAGR of 60 per cent), increasing from $1.7 billion in 2013 to $7 billion in 2016, it added .
Pramod Kumar, managing director, Barclays Capital India, said, “The online retailing segment in India today accounts for a mere 0.5 per cent, compared with 8-13 per cent in developed countries. The sector is expected to grow sevenfold to $30 billion by 2020 and the number of e-shoppers could grow from 20 million to about 90 million. Clearly, India is a massive e-commerce opportunity, which cannot be ignored.”
Source : http://www.business-standard.com/article/finance/softbank-turns-largest-investor-for-indian-e-commerce-cos-114121700329_1.html
Today (18 Dec), Qatar fund invests $150 million in Flipkart . QIA is the new investor buying into Flipkart, valued at around $11 billion (more than Rs 68200 crores at conversion rate of 62) , taking it among the top five privately held technology startups in the world.
Source : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/Qatar-fund-invests-150-million-in-Flipkart/articleshow/45556408.cms
I know it it is at crazy valuations but Early investors are making huge money . It may follow "greatest fool theory" . However , They are not investing because of charity , They might have their own reasoning. All the retail e-commerce players are making huge losses but It doesn't matter for them since they are concentrating on future and trying to achieve economical scale first like Alibaba did .
SoftBank’s $20-million investment in Chinese e-commerce group Alibaba in 2000 is now worth $86 billion, following the Chinese company floating an initial public offering in the US. That is very very huge return . They had patience in early stage when Alibaba was making losses and that time Alibaba was not listed . Mr market does not give good valuation to companies which are under investment stage unless promoter has proven track records . Same times it throws opportunity to buy companies whose valuation are cheap , past is not good but future is bright . Retail e-commerce is such huge opportunity that even companies with decent management will also do reasonably good .
Conclusion :
By seeing comments , email and Market Price , I feel most of them suggested to ignore Intrasoft due to it past performance . Most of them also not realizing how big is retail e-commerce opportunity . So , I have decided to invest 2.5 percentage of my portfolio (May be risky bet) regardless of all concerns like deprecation write off, past track records .I will allocate more money based on future fundamental changes . I am sure if company does not do any fraud and promoters have good intention for minority shareholder then I believe I will make some return in this if I can wait for long regardless of noise.Same time I will keep watch on fundamental changes and my assumptions that they will launch http://123stores.com in India. If they sell other business (websites) and just concentrate on future that is http://123stores.com (USA, Canada, India and other countries) then that will be added advantage. My logic is simple If retail e-commerce market grows like expected and stabilized(start making money) then not only Flipkart and Snapdeal is going to make money there will be few small players in retail e-commerce will also make money . Indian consumers are going to be loyal to discount and value for money and not only to big brands like FlipKart or SnapDeal . Flipkart and Snapdeal will be get listed in future once they start making money to give exit to early investors. But we don't have any other opportunity right now in listed space of retail e-commerce apart from Intrasoft technologies. Right now, I am looking like contrarian fool and alone investor .
We are shopping from USA based companies like Amazon and eBay here in India . If any of your friends and relative is in USA then please request them to buy any low price item from http://123stores.com/ for experience . Please don't buy anything which is not needed .
If you are interested in reading multiple blogs from other blogger then please open your account on http://www.feedly.com/ which I find good to read and track all blogs .
P.S. (on 25 Dec 2014)
Magic of Compounding : Why Venture Capitalist are investing in loss making companies ? Because , they are have their own assumptions and firmly believe in power of Compounding . I tried number crunching and Magic of Compounding on Intrasoft and numbers were unbelievable . So, I initially thought I am not going put these numbers since I will be look stupid and I did similar exercise for Indsil but those variable never turned positive so I sold recently my entire holding in Indsil . I have changed my style of investing from 2013 and moved towards growth . I feel little better investor If I see my portfolio, most of those stocks I have not disclosed here , frankly most of successful stock ideas are borrowed one from others (No intention to return them back:)) . Nevertheless , I collected some courage and put the magic of compounding on Intrasoft even though I will look stupid but I am not alone some Venture Capitalist are also looking similar:) .
Intrasoft Technologies's 123Stores can earn revenue/profit in future from Transaction Fees , payment Gateway fees(net off paying to actual gateway charges) , Vendor Subscription monthly fees , Advertising (like AdWords ,AdSense) , Other Affiliate marketing, From Channel Partner ( sending email to their register customers of channel partner like insurance company) and shipping charges (net off paying to courier companies).
Whenever , these e-commerce companies will chase profit instead of GMV (GROSS MERCHANDISE VALUE) then they can earn profit margin of 7-12% (not more than that) on GMV .
Let's assume Intrasoft Technologies's 123Stores will earn only 5% (worst case scenario) net profit margin once e-commerce stabilized and concentrating on profit .
123Stores reported record sales over the long holiday weekend from Thanksgiving Day through Cyber Monday of over $2 million, a 243% percent increase over last year .I can trust number of 123Stores because they are showing audited numbers with annual report of subsidiary in USA. These numbers are audited by ZBS Group, LLP . New York .Click here
If they start their operations in Canada and India then this growth may be increase further but assume for margin of safety that they just grows by 55% against current 200% plus compounding .
So there 4 assumption in the my following calculation
1. I can hold it from 4 year to 10 years provided that I do not smell something wrong/fraud .
2. NP margin of only 5% of sales /GMV
3. Sales /GMV growth of 55% compounding for first 4 year then 30% for next 3 years then 15% for 8 to 10th years period.
4. Equity dilutions of 20% for 4 years period , 30% for 7 years and 40% 10 years period.
Now , lets consider 3 periods when they will profitable either in 4 years or 7 years or 10 years . I can hold these share long term at least for this period as long as my assumptions on track . I will have to take call if assumptions get off-track depend on circumstances .
This year they will show at least 270 crores of sales ( last 4 trailing quarters already 220 crores ) we will start from that .
Try : http://www.moneycontrol.com/personal-finance/tools/magic-of-compounding-tool.html
4 Years
|
7 years
|
10 years
| |
GMV/Sales
|
1558 (55% compounding)
|
3422 (30% compounding from 5th year to 7th year)
|
5204(15% compounding from 8th year to 10th year)
|
Profit@5%
|
77.9
|
171.1
|
260.2
|
Mcap @ 10 PE (Cr.)
|
779
|
1711
|
2600
|
Share price @ 20% Equity Dilution
|
Rs 423
| ||
Share price @ 30% Equity Dilution
|
813
| ||
Share price @ 40% Equity Dilution
|
1059
| ||
Mcap @ 15 PE (Cr.)
|
1168.5
|
2566
|
3900
|
Share price @ 20% Equity Dilution (15 PE)
|
634.5
| ||
Share price @ 30% Equity Dilution (15 PE)
|
1393
| ||
Share price @ 40% Equity Dilution(15 PE)
|
1588
|
Numbers look unbelievable , This stock price for me can be achieve if 4 assumptions remain on track which I don't think unreasonable either . Is 5% NPM is unreasonable ? Is 55% CAGR in sales for first 4 years is unreasonable for sun rising e-commerce sector ? Is equity dilutions unreasonable ? For me , answer is not unreasonable .
Another import point , Intrasoft Technologies Ltd should not be get delisted .
We can get good return in any growing quality stocks but we can get impressive return /multibagger if we are early investor and market has not discovered potential of that stock .Right now , so far only Venture Capitalist Intel has invested in it. If Intrasoft Technologies get some other investors(or even some good stock picker investors/brokerage houses) then It will start getting valuations based on sales, first 1x then 1.5x like that .Journey has just started let's see where it take us , hope not backward at least .
If you are interested in reading multiple blogs from bloggers (including stupid like me) then please open your account on http://www.feedly.com/ which I find good to read and track all the blogs .
This will be last post for this year . So ,wish you very happy and prosperous new year 2015 . I hope your compounding m/c for other investments continue with same or higher speed .